Warren Witnesses

[AlexC]

Hi guys, I am new here and am a big fan of this site and as of now I am a pretty strong believer in the Files theory. Anyway, I was curious what the thoughts are on witnesses in the Warren Commision like Ted Callaway who claimed they saw Oswald running with a gun, towards the theater I think. Do we think this was an Oswald look a like, or do we think people like him are on the take, involved, and lying on purpose? I'm just curious because although I don't believe Oswald killed Tippit, it's hard to convince skeptics as we don't have all the film and photo of it we do the other murder that day. What are the different takes here on that?

[ChristophMessner]

Are you related to Ted Callaway? I don' think Oswald shot the president nor did he shot a police officer that day. Nobody actually saw him doing that and too much indication points to he was involved somehow in the infiltration of an assassination group, but he was no killer.

[kenmurray]

Alex Calloway wrote:Hi guys, I am new here and am a big fan of this site and as of now I am a pretty strong believer in the Files theory. Anyway, I was curious what the thoughts are on witnesses in the Warren Commision like Ted Callaway who claimed they saw Oswald running with a gun, towards the theater I think. Do we think this was an Oswald look a like, or do we think people like him are on the take, involved, and lying on purpose? I'm just curious because although I don't believe Oswald killed Tippit, it's hard to convince skeptics as we don't have all the film and photo of it we do the other murder that day. What are the different takes here on that?Welcome to the forum Alex. There are conflicting descriptions of the fleeing assailant of the Tippit murder.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjiOolyy ... re=related

[AlexC]

Ha ha, no I am not related to Ted, but my dad was googling family stuff the other day and ran across some stuff about it. He is always inclined to believe the government, makes him more comfortable, so I am always trying to prepare the best stuff to try to convince him.

[kenmurray]

Parkland witnesses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFq_0aOf ... elatedBody bag or no Body bag?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKDUFY55 ... re=related

[kenmurray]

A Commission without Commissioners: http://roswell.fortunecity.com/angelic/96/wobrow~1.htm

[tom jeffers]

if you see the film on the man arrested in ft worth that day he looks amazingly alot like oswald, a little shorter. his name is donald wayne house. i found this while searching. anybody else find anything on him or think its a coinsidince that he looks like oswald?One of the first things I was curious about was whether this arrest had anyconnection to the black sedan chase so often related to the events in DealeyPlaza. This connection was bolstered by an article which appeared the dayafter the assassination in The Dallas Morning News which told of a man havingbeen arrested in Fort Worth because he was said to be driving a car "linkedto the slayer."[6] Fort Worth was the apparent destination of the driver ofthe black sedan headed westbound on the DFW Turnpike and chased by anoff-duty Dallas policeman.This incident was first reported by Earl Golz in The Dallas Morning News[7]nearly twenty years after the fact, and repeated by Jim Marrs inCrossfire,[8] to which the reader is referred for additional information. Inaddition, rumblings of a car having been found abandoned in Fort Worth laterin the day_naturally tied to the "black car chase"_raised even moreinteresting possibilities. Was the man in the FHK photo the same one whooff-duty officer Tom Tilson chased from Dealey Plaza, and who maysubsequently have abandoned the car before having been arrested?Unequivocally not. To begin with, it is apparent that there never was a car,black or otherwise, where Tilson claimed he initially saw it. His interviewwith Golz clearly states that he was driving along Commerce Street justbeyond the Stemmons Freeway bridge but not yet as far as the Triple Underpass(the railroad bridge) when he saw a man run down the bridge abutment, toss along object (a rifle?) into the back seat, run around to jump into thedriver's seat and take off.According to his daughter who was riding with him, "seconds before she sawthe fleeing man, the presidential limousine had just sped past his parked caron the grass... and the limousine was turning onto Stemmons Freeway."[9] Thistime roughly corresponds to the time that Mel McIntire took two photographsof the limo emerging from under the railroad bridge and, shortly thereafter,the Secret Service follow-up car turning onto Stemmons.[10] In neither photois there a "parked car on the grass." With the rest of the motorcade still inDealey Plaza, it is impossible that a car could have gotten to that spot intime for Tilson to have seen it before passing under the Triple Underpass. Itsimply wasn't there.Moreover, photographic evidence belies Tilson's claim that "everyone wasjumping out of their cars pulling up on the median strip" in the plaza as hesaw the man running down the abutment and jumping into his car.[11] Of themany photographs taken in DP, none show "everyone... jumping out of theircars [and] pulling up on the median strip," and none show cars parked on themedian even long after the motorcade had left the plaza, much less whenTilson claims they were (before the press bus had even reached theUnderpass). Obviously, Tilson has never looked at any pictures of theassassination and aftermath before.If that doesn't prove the lie, then consider that the Dallas PoliceDepartment (DPD) recorded and investigated, however cursorily, quite a numberof reports about suspicious cars in the Dallas area that afternoon.[12] Yet,according to Tilson, his own compatriots decided to ignore his report because"if you didn't have a big white hat on, they didn't even want you in theoffice."[13] Does it make sense that detectives will credit and investigatereports from ordinary citizens, yet ignore one from "one of their own?"Also, is it credible that a fleeing assassin would drive a dozen or so blocksthrough city streets to get on a highway when there was and is an entranceramp onto the same highway, going in the same direction, within 100 yards ofwhere his car was supposedly parked and immediately to the left of theStemmons Freeway entrance taken by the motorcade? I think not.If Tilson's story is a fabrication, however, that doesn't preclude that a carwas found abandoned in Fort Worth, and in fact, one was. Almost by accident,I met a retired Fort Worth police officer, WD Roberts, who had called in areport of an abandoned and presumably stolen car only a few minutes after thetime that Kennedy was being shot thirty miles away.[14]Officer Roberts, who is now retired from the force, was on patrol in theRiverside section of east Fort Worth and had come across the vehicle. Hecalled it in to the dispatcher at about 12:45 to 1:00. (It was laterdetermined to have been stolen in Houston the previous week.) Roberts iscertain that the car was not black (ergo not related to Tilson's "blacksedan"), but only recalls it as being "a light color, perhaps eventwo-toned." Since it had been parked there for a number of days, we canreasonably conclude that it was not related to the JFK murder, therebyremoving it from consideration in relation to the arrest in question.If At First You Don't Succeed...================================Between the apparent fact that Tom Tilson's black sedan never existed andthat the car found abandoned in Fort Worth wasn't connected to thispseudo-event, it was quite certain that this avenue of inquiry would not leadto a conclusion about the photo in FHK. Who, then, was the man in the photo,and what could be learned about him? After all, he could be just aboutanyone: how can an unidentified man be found thirty years later from hisimage that is bound to have changed in the interim? There are more than twomillion people in the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex; where and how do you begin?As anyone can see, there are in fact two men in the photograph: the"unidentified suspect" and a police officer. Since nobody'd had any luckfinding out about the arrest from official files, I reasoned, the next-bestway would seem to be to find out what the arresting officer could remember.And if you're trying to find out who a cop is, who're the best people to ask?Naturally, other cops who may have worked with him. I decided to check withFort Worth police.Identifying the officer in the photo proved not as easy as I'd thought, sincein the course of less than two hours, I'd gotten no less than four "positiveidentifications" of the man from nearly a dozen of his fellow officers,including the Assistant Chief of Police. Only one of them, as it turned out,was correct. This should be instructive to anyone who attempts to identify aperson based upon the recollection of only one or two of hiscontemporaries... even if they're trained observers, as police are frequentlytermed.The officer who found the abandoned car mentioned earlier, WD Roberts, alsoturned out to be the arresting officer in the case of Donald Wayne House,which many readers are familiar with. For the sake of those who aren't andfor putting Roberts' observations and impressions on the record (sincenobody's ever asked him about this before), we'll once again depart our mainfocus on the FHK photo to recap the story of this arrest; interestingly, itwill lead us directly back to the photo.In addition to the brief mention of the "2-city manhunt" in The DallasMorning News on the morning after the assassination, there was one (and onlyone) other account of someone being arrested in Fort Worth. It appeared inThe Fort Worth Star-Telegram the day after the assassination, and relatedthat a 22-year-old man had been picked up as a possible suspect in theassassination of President Kennedy.[15] While it didn't identify the man byname, it did indicate that he was from Ranger, a small town southwest of FortWorth. It also identified the arresting officers (WD Roberts and BG Whistler)and noted that the man had been arrested in the 3400 block of East BelknapStreet in the city.Reconstructing this arrest from a variety of sources, it happened somethinglike this:On the morning of November 22, Donald Wayne House left his home in Ranger, TXbound for Mesquite (a Dallas suburb) to visit an old Army buddy, RandallHunsaker.[16] He had parked his car in a lot on Commerce Street at about10:30[17] and called Hunsaker, who was apparently not home. Hearing that JFKwas due to ride through downtown, he decided to get a glimpse of Kennedy,whom he says he had long admired.[18] After the motorcade had passed, heheaded toward Fort Worth on the DFW Turnpike to visit a cousin.[19]Along the way, House says he stopped for gas at a station in Grand Prairie,where two women who had heard about the assassination asked him if he knewanything more about it. House told them that he'd heard the allegedassassin's description, which he then related to the women. The descriptionhe gave them of Oswald describes House as well, a resemblance that can beclearly seen in photos taken of him that day except that House is muchshorter than Oswald.[20] It is also possible that the women had heard thedescription themselves and felt that House matched it closely enough toarouse their suspicions.One of the two women he spoke with was apparently the "Mrs Cunningham"identified in Dallas County Deputy Sheriff JC Watson's report who called theGrand Prairie PD after House had left the filling station. The Grand PrairiePD then notified the Dallas County sheriffs, who in turn made a generalbroadcast including his description and that of his car and its license platenumber at 1:35 pm. A "short while" later Tarrant County officials notifiedsheriffs that the car and driver had been taken into custody.[21]The green and white Ford was heading westbound on the DFW Turnpike towardFort Worth.[22] At about the same time or just shortly after the Sheriff'sbroadcast had gone out, FWPD officer WD Roberts had pulled into the ShadyOaks Drive-in on Riverside Drive just after having called in his report ofthe abandoned car. While waiting for a cup of coffee, he happened to glancein his mirror and noticed the car going by. He took off after it, leaving thecarhop standing there with his order in hand.[23]Roberts called into FWPD dispatch to verify House's license plate number, andbecause he was driving an underpowered cruiser, he also requested assistancein case the driver attempted to evade him.[24] Officer BG Whistler, who waspatrolling an adjoining sector, sped to his assistance and met up with him ashort distance away at the "Five Points" intersection of East Belknap andBonnie Brae;[25] officer BL Harbour also fell in behind Whistler.[26] Uponseeing he had assistance, Roberts notified dispatch that he was going to"curb" the car.[27]Roberts pulled around House and forced him to pull over in the 3400 block ofEast Belknap Street near Sylvania Park; Whistler came up behind House, gotout of his squad car, and trained his shotgun on House, telling him to getout of the car and keep his hands where they could be seen. Roberts friskedhim and put him in handcuffs before putting him in the back of Whistler'scar. By this time (shortly before 1:57 pm CST, the time on House's arrestreport[28]), a number of other officers had also arrived, including LtLawrence Wood who immediately took charge as the ranking officer. Harbourjoined Whistler in the latter's car and the two transported the prisoner tocity hall where they were photographed by newsmen.[29] Wood accompanied theseofficers to city hall on his motorcycle[30] while Roberts remained behind tosecure the scene and inventory the vehicle.[31]All of the officers involved described the arrest as "odd" because, duringall of this time, House never said a word. Roberts in particular thought so,and "couldn't imagine how you could pull a man out of his car, frisk him,handcuff him and put him in the back of a patrol car in a matter of justseconds, all the time with a shotgun aimed at him and he never even asked whyhe was being arrested!"[32]Roberts' account was confirmed by Whistler, who added that Lt Wood hadinstructed them not to ask House any questions or make any statements to him,but to "leave that to the Feds," who had apparently been notified to meet theofficers at city hall.[33] House's arrest report also indicated that "thesubject never once appeared nervous and in fact he was unusually calm," andthat he had never asked the officers why he was being arrested or taken intojail.Among the police, only Wood's account differed. He told a reporter that Housewas "hysterical" and that "the guy stuttered, he was so scared he couldn'tget a single word out, no matter how long he tried,"[34] descriptions thearresting officers adamantly denied. In Wood's defense, however, thatrecollection was nearly twenty years old by the time it was made.(House's own account of it, published ten months after his arrest, says thathe'd asked why he was being arrested and was told by officers "You're beingarrested for the assassination of President Kennedy,"[35] which alsocontradicts the officers' statements. I consider this to be a relativelyminor point since House was "in the spotlight" during the interview and mayhave tended to meld details. He was undoubtedly told at some time why he'dbeen brought in; whether it was before or after he arrived at city hall seemsmore a matter of how he told the story than how it actually happened.)Another oddity, Roberts recalled, was that House's car was "absolutelyspotless, there wasn't even a slip of paper in the glove box," although hefound an empty dynamite box in the trunk, which House claimed to have beenusing as a tool chest[36] (Wood, in his account, said that "we found severalboxes of dynamite in the back seat,"[37] which the arresting officers alsodisputed). Roberts was surprised to learn that House supposedly junked thecar a short while later[38], saying that he couldn't imagine why he did sincethe car was "immaculate."House was transported to city hall (which also housed police headquarters atthe time) by Officers Whistler and Harbour, and photographs[39] show the twotaking him inside. House was then put in the "shakedown" room and searched,where the only belongings that were recorded having been taken from him was awallet containing $23 in cash and a knife.[40] According to House, he wasinterrogated by federal officers for three hours and remained alone in hiscell for another hour before being cleared and released,[41] although the jailreport indicates the time was slightly shorter.[42]

[kenmurray]

It is amazing to me how the Dallas PD during the critical minutes after the assassination there was the mauser issue, the 3 tramps, Donald House, the description of the suspect that could had fitted a third of the male population lol. And it was all broadcast on the local tv stations and then the major networks. But once they got their man Oswald all of the above were just mistakes.

[Pennyworth]

Later on this one

[Bob]

Speaking of Donald House...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8-z68VgE0s