Israeli involvement in 9/11 and spying on the U.S.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

Deborah wrote:Martin Hinrichs wrote:Mark, may i ask what Aids has to do with the evil Nazi regime and their genocide?The book, Dr. Mary's Monkey and Ed Haslam, provide a link for how AIDS came about. Dr. Mary Sherman, David Ferrie, Dr. Alton Oschner, Judyth Vary Baker, Lee Harvey Oswald. AIDS was a CIA OP. And the CIA was the result of Operation Paperclip, the U.S. Government, surreptitiously bringing 5000 Nazi SS and Nazi scientists into the country and forming a new organization, the CIA. Combined SS and former U.S. OSS, Allen Dulles/Reinhard Gehlen et al. The spoils of war. Hitler won. Think about it. Experiments on vulnerable populations of people, prisons, mental hospitals, children, soldiers.Hitler won? He died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. That's winning? I respectfully disagree that the CIA was some sort of NAZI creation. Many of those "scientists" were also Jewish, you know, like Einstein. So, if you're blaming "experiments on vulnerable populations" on NAZI's and Germans alone, I respectfully disagree.Talking about experiments on vulnerable populations, don't forget that the Manhattan Project was being directed by an American-born Jewish man, J. Robert Oppenheimer.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_OppenheimerI guess killing thousands of Japanese civilians in an instant was okay for people who developed those weapons, eh? I'm just trying to point out that "experiments" or other harm that was done to various populations by the U.S. was not a NAZI or German creation. A lot of people have a tendency to beat the drum about NAZIs and think that the NAZIs can be blamed for everything after WWII, but it's not true. It's media deception. Other populations suffered at the hands of other people before WWII, and the perpetrators were not always German.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

Here's an article by James Fetzer.Pay attention, j.j.c. "SHALOM" bruinsma. If you actually read it before talking too much you might learn something. It's called Is 9/11 Research "Anti-Semitic"?Here is the link to the article. It's very good.http://www.opednews.com/articles/3/Is-9 ... 5.htmlHere is a quote from the article. "The issue of anti-Semitism has to be addressed on its own merits. It has been used as a political club to attack research on 9/11 whenever consideration has been given to the possibility of Israeli involvement in the crime. That is hardly a stretch, since Israel has probably benefited from 9/11 more than any other political entity."Here's another quote from the article. "But could Israel have been involved? There are disturbing indications. The five “dancing Israels” were observed on a roof across the Hudson in New Jersey drinking and celebrating as they filmed the destruction of the Twin Towers.Complaints by neighbors led to their apprehension in a van. The driver told the arresting officer, “We are not your problem. The Palestinians are your problem!” They would be incarcerated for 71 days until an assistant to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft directed their release.They returned to Israel where three of them appeared on Israeli TV and explained they were there to document the destruction of the Twin Towers. Obviously, they could not have done that without knowing the Twin Towers were going to be destroyed.The man who directed their release was Michael Chertoff, now our Director of Homeland Security, who is a joint US/Israeli citizen.The Controller of the Pentagon at the time $2.3 trillion went missing was Dov Zokheim, another joint US/Israeli citizen.Others in the administration with dual citizenship include Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, Richard Pearle, Douglas Feith, “Scooter” Libby, Eliot Cohen, and John Bolton. Do any of these names sound familiar?"

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

Here is a good link to information regarding Israeli involvement in 9/11. http://rediscover911.com/" Meanwhile, the real perpetrators are orchestrating a “controlled demolition” of our economy and have plans for the next system of money/government/media/internet to dominate the world.This is from the home page of the website. "The so-called, self-styled Jews (not all Jews) have a long range plan for us. We use the phrase “so-called, self-styled Jews to distinguish good, ethical and religious Jews from a Jewish crime network–much like the Mafia is not representative of all Italians."

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

This is Louis Farrakhan on 9/11. I think he sums it up pretty nicely.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mYJSOzkuqcFarrakhan said in this video, regarding 9/11:"If you follow the money, you'll begin to see the synagogue of Satan at work." You might have to right-click the link and open it as a separate page or tab in order to view it.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

Cui bono (Who benefits?)http://rediscover911.com/cui-bono-who-benefits/From the web page:The real conspirators in 9/11 took a calculated risk that their crimes would not be uncovered quickly enough to thwart a ‘checkmate’ world-wide–on governments, banking, commerce…everything."The one group of people who had nothing to gain and everything to lose based on the events of 9/11 were the nations of the Muslim World and Muslims living here in America. Our response to the attacks–with years-long media campaigns to frame Muslims as the terrorists of the world–was easily predicted and was what all of the Middle East expected."

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

On a lighter note, here's a Rabbi making what might be a Freudian slip.He basically said, at first, that if you want to find racism, just "walk a mile down the street to the nearest synagogue and you'll find it there."He then basically corrects himself and says something like "Synagogue, excuse me, mosque."The funny thing is that his audience laughs with him BEFORE he corrected himself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLiBP7F07hc

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

THE DEFAMATION TACTIC OF CALLING SOMEONE "ANTI-SEMITIC"In this clip, you'll see former Israeli minister, Shulamit Aloni, saying that calling someone "anti-Semitic" is a TRICK that is often used to try and stop people from being critical of Israeli policies or critical of anything having to do with Israel or Jewish entities regardless of whether they are criminal or not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cAHere's a link to more information on the trick of calling someone "anti-Semitic."http://rediscover911.com/2010/06/the-an ... trick/This goes to the heart of a recent discussion I had with forum member j.j.c. bruinsma, who used the same TRICK (calling me anti-Semitic) without actually having any logical or real reason to do so. If you look at this topic and the other topic I started regarding the media hoax on 9/11, you can clear see how j.j.c. bruinsma, for example, used the same defamation tactic. It's a trick that is used by disinformation people like him to throw the point of the discussion off. For the record, I can call j.j.c. bruinsma a disinformation entity because he clearly misrepresented my position and words and then attacked me for them. Even when I asked him to show proof of his accusations, he provided none. All he seemed to provide was inconsistent and grammatically incorrect babbling. Who does this? LOLI even gave him the example of talking about the Italian mafia not being the same as talking badly about ALL Italians, and he still didn't seem to get it and continued to resort to name calling. In my personal opinion, he is clearly a disinformation entity. His agenda is unclear to me, but it seems to have to do with criticism of Israel. What a coincidence. This is how disinformation entities work. They get into a group and say all the right things to get accepted, and then they viciously attack other arguments at critical points where it doesn't suit their agenda. I'll give another example of what I mean. Many of us here have read the book called Final Judgment by Piper. It's all about providing evidence that the Israeli's were a major player behind the JFK assassination. I can only imagine that j.j.c. bruinsma would have a HUGE problem with that book as well, no? If he doesn't have a problem with that book, that would make him a hypocrite. See what I mean? Here's a link to the topic on the media hoax on this forum. The last couple of pages is where I went round and round with him. Look for yourselves. http://forum.jfkmurdersolved.com/viewto ... 2005Notice how, in the topic on the media hoax regarding 9/11, I repeatedly asked him to show me any evidence that I'm anti-Semitic or that the information I presented was anti-Semitic. As of me writing this sentence, j.j.c. bruinsma has provided NO EVIDENCE at all. I also noticed that he recently posted on another topic here on this forum. His mysterious silence on the issue appears to be of his own volition. Let me bring my point home for those of you who may not feel it. The defamation tactic used by j.j.c. bruinsma is the same that is used by people who don't agree with the idea that there was a conspiracy to murder JFK. Those "lone nut theorists", for example, call people like us "conspiracy theorists" or "conspiracy nuts" which is just a label they use to take away our credibility. There are even people who agree with the idea that JFK was murdered by a vast conspiracy, but they think the James Files information is not credible. In the past, here on this forum, we have seen those people too engaging in disinformation tactics by first misrepresenting the Files information and then attacking it...king of like a straw man tactic. Many of those same people have often said derogatory things about us here as well, but it doesn't change the facts. Calling someone "anti-Semitic" for talking about Israeli organized crime and Israeli involvement in 9/11 is a DEFAMATION TACTIC, a TRICK.I hope the rest of you can appreciate how j.j.c. bruinsma has avoided this discussion after attacking me for no good reason. Do truth seekers behave this way? NoAs for him avoiding the discussion, I did call him a coward, did I? I also called him out on the carpet, so to speak, and accused him (because of his behavior with me) of being a disinformation entity. So far, he is silent. It must hurt just a little to have nothing to say when you want to burst at the seams, eh j.j.c. bruinsma?

[Davyjones]

Hi Pasquale... you are on the money as far as I am concerned. Jjc Bruinsma is Dutch and has a problem with English so its a tough call for him to slug it out with you. Nevertheless I dont agree with his position but am unsure he has an agenda. I think he just thinks this way on the subject of critisism of Israel or Jews which he sees as one and the same.

[Pasquale DiFabrizio]

Davyjones wrote:Hi Pasquale... you are on the money as far as I am concerned. I but they think the James Files information is credible.? do you mean incredible? Also jcc Bruinsma is Dutch and has a problem with English so its a tough call for him to slug it out with you. Nevertheless I dont agree with his position but am unsure he has an agenda. I think he just thinks this way on the subject of critisism of Israel or Jews which he sees as one and the same.Davyjones,Thanks for that correction. I did mean to say "not credible" or "incredible." I just fixed it.Regarding j.j.c. Bruinsma, I figured that English is not his native language, but it looks to me like he is able to get his point across. The only real advantage I have over him is that I'm engaging him in honest debate. He's the one who came out and started with his defamation tactics. He seems to be fully aware of how to insult someone and call them names in Engligh despite whatever problems he might have with the English language, but then he seems to be at a loss for words when someone calls him out on the carpet. LOLYour advice is sound, however. I'm just a little astounded at how j.j.c. Bruinsma can just come out and say what he said about me (which is not true at all) and then not have the courage to back his words with honesty. I smell a rat when it comes to j.j.c. Bruinsma. I'm totally serious. How about we take a look at what he has posted here and see just how coherent he can be. Then we'll be able to see just how well he can write in English. LOL Thanks for your encouraging words. Pasquale

[kenmurray]

Israeli Espionage Story:http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/spyring.php